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davyduck (Vlaanderen)
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Rules Brainstorm Feb 10, 2020 23:53:42 GMT 1

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Post by davyduck (Vlaanderen) on Feb 10, 2020 23:53:42 GMT 1

Some rules still need to be discussed.

Your 5 Cyclists on your hand score cq-points according to the race result.

Besides that you have different card combinations:

Hand                                                                                  Probability              Number of Hands
Single Pair                                                                         0.422569                   1098240
Two Pair                                                                           0.047539                   123552
Triple                                                                                  0.0211285                    54912
Straight (excluding Straight Flush and Royal Flush)                 0.00392465 10200
Flush (but not a Straight)                                                     0.0019654               5108
Full House                                                                           0.00144058                  3744
Four of a Kind                                                                      0.000240096                624
Straight Flush (but not Royal)                                               0.0000138517                 36
Royal Flush                                                                         0.00000153908                 4

Award these combinations with extra cq-points? Absolute or relative cq-points?
Knowing that the winner in a classic gets 280pts, and the winner of a WT1-stage only 45pts.
Your thoughts?
Any other rules or details that need to be discussed in advance?

Raising blinds? or steady blinds?

How to determine the winner?

Last Edit: Feb 11, 2020 0:40:38 GMT 1 by davyduck (Vlaanderen)

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Rules Brainstorm Feb 11, 2020 0:08:51 GMT 1

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Post by davyduck (Vlaanderen) on Feb 11, 2020 0:08:51 GMT 1

I think the card combinations add an extra dimension to the game.

4 of a kind, straight flush and royal flush are so rare, that they overrule everything, in my opinion.
The other combinations could be the equivalent of an extra point-taker.
A pair could be equal to 40th place. (f.e. tireno: 0pts ; PR: 5pts)
2 pair equal to 30th place. (f.e. tireno: 0pts ; PR: 6pts)
triple equal to 20th place. (f.e. tireno: 0pts ; PR: 24pts)
Straight equal to 8th place. (f.e. tireno: 1pts ; PR: 80pts)
Flush equal to 3th place. (f.e. tireno: 18pts ; PR: 145pts)
Full house equal to 2nd place (f.e. tireno: 28pts ; PR: 170pts)
4 of a kind =1000pts
Straight Flush = 2000 pts
Royal Flush = 3000pts

Raising blinds! Otherwise after 2 wins, you can sit the season out.

When someone is bankrupt. He buys himself back in with the startcapital of 1500€. The other players get a bonus of 1500/number of players.

The winner. I don't know. If its the one with the most budget at end of season everybody plays harakiri in the last race. We should avoid that. The game should restart with a new season so that newcomers can be allowed. With more then 5 players, we could play on 2 tables, that would add an extra dimension: relegation and promotion 2, 3 or 4 times per season, the pro-table, and the loser-table. And we want everybody in the game until the very end.

Last Edit: Feb 11, 2020 0:45:20 GMT 1 by davyduck (Vlaanderen)

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Rules Brainstorm Feb 11, 2020 11:46:33 GMT 1

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Post by Garfield (RadioShack, commish) on Feb 11, 2020 11:46:33 GMT 1

Feb 11, 2020 0:08:51 GMT 1 davyduck (Vlaanderen) said:

I think the card combinations add an extra dimension to the game.

They would if we were poker fans. But we are cycling fans who never played poker, so I'd skip those.
If you insist, I'd go pair 10cq, two-pairs 20cq etc. linearly, so that a good hand can make a boring stage more exciting, but not decisive.

Feb 11, 2020 0:08:51 GMT 1 davyduck (Vlaanderen) said:

Raising blinds! Otherwise after 2 wins, you can sit the season out.

Steady blinds, otherwise the first half of the season doesn't matter.

Feb 11, 2020 0:08:51 GMT 1 davyduck (Vlaanderen) said:

When someone is bankrupt. He buys himself back in with the startcapital of 1500€. The other players get a bonus of 1500/number of players.

Once bankrupt, you're out, just like in a poker tournament. Would make people play more seriously. The season finishes when there's one man standing, just like in a poker tournament. What's the worst that can happen? The season finishes in the Ardennes, which would be super exciting and only confirm this as the most original game we have. If we finish until the GdI, we play another full tournament this year. Otherwise, we'll sit at the table again in 2021.

Feb 11, 2020 0:08:51 GMT 1 davyduck (Vlaanderen) said:

The winner. I don't know. If its the one with the most budget at end of season everybody plays harakiri in the last race. We should avoid that.

Solved by my proposal above.

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Rules Brainstorm Feb 11, 2020 17:13:38 GMT 1

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Post by davyduck (Vlaanderen) on Feb 11, 2020 17:13:38 GMT 1

Feb 11, 2020 11:46:33 GMT 1 Garfield (RadioShack, commish) said:

Feb 11, 2020 0:08:51 GMT 1 davyduck (Vlaanderen) said:

I think the card combinations add an extra dimension to the game.

Your 10,20, ... points make it far more decisive as my system with 30th, 20th ... place.

My idea was to make it decisive when you hit a rare combination. In 26 races that will probably happen between 0 and 2 times.

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Rules Brainstorm Feb 13, 2020 23:51:18 GMT 1

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Post by davyduck (Vlaanderen) on Feb 13, 2020 23:51:18 GMT 1

Steady blinds, otherwise the first half of the season doesn't matter.

Agree!

I haven't thought of it that way. But I absolutely love it! I wont when I'm the first one to leave the table though ...

Any more feedback on the rules ?

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Rules Brainstorm Feb 15, 2020 23:49:24 GMT 1

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Post by oliveira (Lampre) on Feb 15, 2020 23:49:24 GMT 1

Feb 13, 2020 23:51:18 GMT 1 davyduck (Vlaanderen) said:

Steady blinds, otherwise the first half of the season doesn't matter.

Agree!

I haven't thought of it that way. But I absolutely love it! I wont when I'm the first one to leave the table though ...

Any more feedback on the rules ?

I back these two inputs. About the poker sequences points, I think the main focus should be the cq points. Maybe the sequences would give a multiplier for cq points.

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oliveira (Lampre): That's right, qazaqstan. Dec 1, 2024 23:52:30 GMT 1

qazaqstan (Katusha): So for example M. Van Dijke had 105 + 173 CQ points in the normal CQ ranking in the last two years, so he is eligible as surprise rider. But for the game itself, we will use your calendar, meaning that .1 races and national championships will not count ? Dec 1, 2024 23:43:59 GMT 1

qazaqstan (Katusha): Hi. It is correct that for the CR categories we will look at their normal CQ points, but for the standings, we will use fantasycycling calendar? Dec 1, 2024 23:42:17 GMT 1

Garfield (RadioShack, commish): Apologies for Gee. Replaced him with Storer for a more elegant design. Dec 1, 2024 14:15:02 GMT 1

arry1338 (Saxo): I'll check on my mobile at some point, may have to respond with a temporary account as I can't seem to log in on my phone Dec 1, 2024 13:35:11 GMT 1

Joelsim (BMC): Do you want to send me your pick Martijn (you can send me first and second choice if you like as I don't have another pick for ages). Dec 1, 2024 11:16:45 GMT 1

arry1338 (Saxo): I'm going to be unavailable in the afternoon. If it's my turn in Country Roads, it'll have to wait untill around 20:00 GMT+1 Dec 1, 2024 11:10:26 GMT 1

arry1338 (Saxo): It's going terribly slow last days again... Dec 1, 2024 11:08:22 GMT 1

Joelsim (BMC): So, yes, Gee can be picked in Global. Dec 1, 2024 10:19:17 GMT 1 *

Joelsim (BMC): You can pick a rider for the category you want, so for instance you can pick a young Canadian for Global. With regard to Surprise the total can't be more than 300 over two years,and yes it is fine if the rider scored zero in one of them. Dec 1, 2024 10:18:50 GMT 1

tomboonenfanboy (Euskaltel): But I'm not sure if you can pick Gee as global because he's in the Stage Racer pool Nov 30, 2024 22:36:17 GMT 1

tomboonenfanboy (Euskaltel): I don't think I see any other overlap in the pools Nov 30, 2024 22:17:22 GMT 1

tomboonenfanboy (Euskaltel): Derek Gee too, he's Canadian Nov 30, 2024 22:14:15 GMT 1

oliveira (Lampre): In Global they can overlap with other open categories as budding star, do its important if you pick Finn Fisher-Black that you mention the category you are picking. Nov 30, 2024 21:38:20 GMT 1

oliveira (Lampre): In surprise, your rider must be born in 2000 or earlier and not have more than 300 points in the sum of 23 and 24 scores. Nov 30, 2024 21:35:06 GMT 1

tomboonenfanboy (Euskaltel): Daniel will have to answer that one, I don't know

Nov 30, 2024 21:33:15 GMT 1

arry1338 (Saxo): How about an overlap with Global? Nov 30, 2024 21:06:27 GMT 1

tomboonenfanboy (Euskaltel): And there is no baby or budding star in the other pools on first glance Nov 30, 2024 19:55:17 GMT 1

tomboonenfanboy (Euskaltel): I don't know about the other question, are there any riders that qualify? I think Daniel keeps an eye on that and moves them out of their respective categories when they move to geezer or surprise Nov 30, 2024 19:55:05 GMT 1

tomboonenfanboy (Euskaltel): Regarding the surprise rider: he has to be born in 2000 or earlier, afaik he can have a score of 0 in one or both years Nov 30, 2024 19:52:56 GMT 1